I commented above (#23… Lucky #?) And again in 26 because the wed link:

http://www.upperbridge.org wasn’t in the original for some reason. (put in the url .. pff whatever…)

There are some good people commenting here, (that’s all of you. BTW.) Nice to see this. It’s great.

This link is oh so very important… Vital. The site was set up by an ex-Sea Org Member trained to the highest possible level at the Top Mecca Church in the World:
A Flag Class XII Auditor. There is nobody, not still on lines, more trained out there, anywhere. PERIOD.

A Scientologist would be enslaved-stupid not to want to see/read WHAT would get this guy to leave. …as He explains it all, of course. Right out the front doors. So do it!

His comments on Lisa McPherson are excellent.
To everyone, find it. Read it.

Notice, also, he says nothing to the effect that the Technology doesn’t work. Rightly so.

For anyone else not the least bit interested, let me move the entire subject completely off to something else; say…Crop Circles!!
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6288917544917380466
(google:star dreams)

Don’t sit there and fight what you DO NOT understand.

Fight those thing you DO understand. And don’t loose sight of the real target!

And by all means, get yourself in the best shape possible. Don’t be scared… Read what LRH has to say. It’s all good.

You’re all good!!

Anton

Do your research, it’s not just a bunch of harmless kooks that aren’t hurting anybody. It’s a vast organization with a one-world-order dictatorship agenda, almost unlimited funds, and political/governmental contacts and influence worldwide.

Hmmm, that sounds like the old Scientology tactic of “acceptable truth” — selecting words very carefully so that you can SOUND like you’re saying one thing when you really mean another. Like, someone unfamiliar with Scientologists might think that “no foul play” means “no behavior that is dishonest, or treacherous, or dangerous, or violent, or foul”. But of course, anyone familiar with the cases of McPherson and Cooper — who are only the best-documented cases, not by any means the only ones — knows that the Scientologists did plenty of wrong in both those cases. McPherson might well have lived if the unlicensed staffers who were watching her for 17 days in a hotel room had actually BROUGHT HER to a doctor, rather than having a Scientologist doctor illegally prescribe medications including Valium and chloral hydrate without even seeing her. When they finally took McPherson to that doctor’s hospital, she arrived without vital signs. This doesn’t seem like something that Scientology can necessarily be blamed for — until you realize that the NEAREST hospital was just two minutes away, and the Scientologists deliberately bypassed that hospital, and bypassed three others, in order to go to a hospital FORTY-FIVE MINUTES AWAY.

As for there being no “foul play” in the case of journalist Paulette Cooper, nothing could be further from the truth. Scientology set out with a very foul goal, which was “To get [Cooper] incarcerated in a mental institution or jail, or at least to hit her so hard that she drops her attacks.” They pursued this goal through the foulest of means, framing Cooper for fake bomb threats against the Church, spreading anonymous letters among her neighbors claiming that she had a social disease, and putting a Scientologist spy next to her, who pretended to be one of the few friends that stood by her in her time of need when, in reality, he was reporting back to his masters that Cooper was contemplating suicide — “Wouldn’t that be great for Scientology?” he wrote.

Obviously Bobby was hoping no one would ASK what definition he was using for “foul play” when he claimed that there was none of it. If they asked and he was honest, he would have to say “oh, I am using the most restrictive possible definition of the phrase. In fact, I’m mostly using it as a synonym for murder, so what I’m really claiming is ‘Scientology didn’t actually MURDER Lisa McPherson.’” And the rational people would ask, “Is it really a good thing to take someone AWAY FROM qualified medical care, in order to subject them to illegal unqualified medical care, and then even when you are obviously in an emergency situation where every minute could mean the difference between life and death, deliberately waste FORTY-THREE minutes driving out of your way, just so that you can be dealing with another Scientologist?” The rational people would also certainly ask Bobby why he was referring to Paulette Cooper as a “very unfortunate soul[] that many would have like to help and tried [sic]” when what MADE Paulette Cooper an unfortunate person was the Church of Scientology’s illegal and despicable campaign of harassment against her. Is Bobby completely unaware that it is the organization he is defending which trampled over the law of the land and all principles of human decency in order to victimize Paulette Cooper? Or is he fully aware of the truth, and deliberately choosing to tell an “acceptable truth” deception instead?

Whose feeble mind is minding who?

The 33 of you should get a life. Your comments show you have been spending too much time reading the gossip tabaloids.

Scientlogist believe in giving hands on help in the real world . Do you agree with that? I would like to see how many of you are down with that. Go ahead and respond. I’m gonna take a count. You can bitch all you want. I want to see what your doing?

I’m gonna hold your program up to the same scrutiny.

Then we can talk about how to get someting positive done.

By the way, TERRYEO, I’ve seen you around and it’s the jerks with attitudes like yours towards critics that caught my attention before I even knew anything about the cos. You guys have a tendency to be really RUDE, arrogant, overly aggressive, paranoid, sociopathic, and just plain ugly in your attitudes towards anyone opposed to scientology. That is not what one would expect of a group of people looking to be accepted and given credibility. Normally, I take pity on the pathetic and misguided, but your attitude makes me want people to pick on you more

We do not care that people believe in Xenu and thetans. We do not care about their squirrely ethcal beliefs (ie. SPs).

We care that these beliefs are indoctrinated through a sophisticated method of mind and behavioral control that makes wartime methods of psychological torture look like childs play. We are particularly infuriated by the corporate organization, the Church of Scientology, and the unethical and frankly illegal actions it has committed as well as its propensity for legal action aimed at limiting free speech and harassing its critics.

Our movement isn’t aimed at destroying the religion of Scientology, it is aimed at the corporate entity known legally as the Church of Scientology. There is a distinction, although this distinction is not apparent to the majority of scientologists nor, apparently, the author of this article and many in the general public.

What? How did they help Lisa McPherson when they took her to a hotel room for 17 days and, under their care, managed to sit by while she lost 50 pounds, became severely dehydrated, was bitten by cockroaches and died?

They could have given her medical attention. But they didn’t. Neglect.

It’s sick. And I don’t care what others say about Christianity - if you ask a Muslim or a Christian what their beliefs are, they will tell you. For free. They do not take you in to a secretive screening process. And if you leave, you may be prayed for but you certainly won’t be “destroyed.”

And you can give arguments about televangelism, but the levels to which the Scientologists take this horrible secrecy are abominable.

And Jacob - everyone agrees that Scientologists are allowed to believe what they believe. But their actions must be stopped. The lying, the harassment, the deaths. They must be stopped. I still say you were very irresponsible and continue to be so in writing this commentary.

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/

http://xenu.net/archive/personal_story/paulette_cooper/

http://www.orato.com/lifestyles/2007/09/11/i-escaped-scientology

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/

http://xenu.net/archive/personal_story/cheryl_s/

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/

http://xenu.net/archive/personal_story/kathryn.html

Scientology is not just a little funny UFO cult. It’s a murder machine.

No. It actually loses lawsuits. Technically, it settles before the final judgment, but it rarely, rarely WINS any.

What it does is it uses lawsuits to harass and (per policy) bankrupt its critics. This is an abuse of any justice system. The church of Scientology conducts itself like a criminal organization, which it is.

I have had nothing but a extremely beneficial life, off drugs, happily married because of Scientology and the technology developed my L Ron Hubbard.

“So many people have been ruined financially, psychologically and physically by Christianity.”

“So many are still under Christianity’s nefarious spell that it is needed to attack it.”

Roger Gonnet, I see you constantly attacking Scientology on these boards. Yet your same arguments could be used to attack any mainstream religion out there.

I thought it was very smart. Well thought out and quite intelligent.

I don’t know how you got that way, but keep doing it!

http://www.upperbridge.org

This whole argument is childish.

I hope the vigilante Anonymous guy gets caught and taken to task by the Feds. “Anonymous” is the cult. Bringing down a group’s website and otherwise harassing them is what REAL “cult members” do. Or more accurately, its what a group of unthinking, irrational “villagers with torches” do as they wield their pitchforks.

And yes, I’ve looked at both sides of the Scientology argument — in some depth. The various allegations against Scientology have been endlessly debunked and/or put into context … and when done so, they are shown to be no different than the practices and beliefs of a myriad other mainstream religions out there.

How would a “critic” or hater spin Christianity, in a world unfamiliar with it? Answer: As an “evil brainwashing cult” which worships a vindictive deity … engages in ritualistic cannibalism … whose “core belief” is “Shellfish Are Eeevil” (the “critics” could even quote it from Leviticus in the Bible).

Leave the Scientologists alone. Let them practice their religion in peace.

Kyle
http://youtube.com/kyleman73